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He highlights Langston's early interest in paleontology, his extensive knowledge and experience in the field, his generous and collegial nature, and his significant contributions to the university's vertebrate paleontology collections and research. \u003c/p\u003e (abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["MP4"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["FWMSHPOHCS001 (other)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCollections Manager, Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections at the University of Texas. Sagebiel describes the career and legacy of Dr. Wann Langston, a renowned vertebrate paleontologist who worked at the University of Texas for over 30 years. 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An interview with Chris Sagebiel, University of Texas at Austin Vertebrate Paleontology Lab, June 24, 2025. Paleontological Oral History Program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=0.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: My name's Chris Sagebiel and I'm the Collections Manager for the Texas vertebrate paleontology collections here at the UT's Vertebrates Paleontology Lab. And I've been associated with the collections for about 30 years, a little more. So...originally, I'm from the little town of Rockdale, which isn't far from here. So, actually, as a... kid many years ago, I volunteered next door at the Texas Archeological Lab. So, I've been around a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=7.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Have you always known that this is what you wanted to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=42.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: No, I wanted to be a physicist. And after a couple of years of working differential equations and integrals at the lab...or at a table, I took a geology class and realized that this was a science where you get to go outside and enjoy the sunshine. So yeah, I was hooked pretty immediately. I'm a University of Texas alumnus. So, yeah, I got my bachelor's degree here in geology, master's degree in geology. And then spent a little while in Southern California and went to the University of California Riverside to study genetics and genomics and bioinformatics for a PhD and came back here. When this collections job opened up, I jumped on it, had to pretty aggressively campaign to come back home. There, you kind of wait for somebody to, you know, move on. Yes, we don't tend to give up these fun jobs that often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=52.0,115.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: When did you first meet Dr. Langston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=115.0,3725.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: It's funny, I don't remember the first time we met. It would have been probably 1993 or 1994. I of course knew of him, and I'd heard plenty of stories. So, once we finally met, kind of knew how that interaction should happen. Langston was really an old school kind of guy. So, he was Dr. Langston. I immediately knew he was not going to like someone if they came up and aggressively you were like, “Hey, Wann, how's it going?” Nope. You're starting off on the bad list. Those fellows Langston and Jack Wilson were both, you know, “Hey I earned this this doctor and you're gonna call me Dr. Langston.” So yeah, he was Dr. Langston from day one. We...we hit it off really well. He's, you know, Oklahoma guy, I’m from Texas. You know, we're both... Worked on ranches and did a bunch of outdoor stuff, so we kind of got along from the get-go. Also, not being one of his students, he had retired by that point, at least from serving on committees. We had a much more collegial type relationship, not so much him directing me, so I think that really helped us get along better than that there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=3725.0,3816.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: What did you know about his early interest in paleontology?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=3816.0,3825.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: He told me about his first interest in paleontology, and he started off from the get-go as a vertebrate paleontologist. He would go to different museums with his family, and they let him hang out in the museum sitting underneath the articulated dinosaurs and give him a little box with clay in it. And so, as a little, you know, six-year-old guy, he would sit there with his clay and sculpt out each of the bones from the skeleton, smash them up again, sculpt them back out. So that's my mental image whenever I think of Dr. Langston, of him with a bit of that gray clay in his hands just sculpting something, not even looking at it a lot of times, just sculpted something out, smashing it back up, sculpting, something else. So, he was really good with that, 3D shapes were definitely his forte. So, he told me about that and... The fun story he told was how there was a bookstore that had a vertebrate paleontology book written by von Zittel, and that it was... I think it was a dollar and a half, something like that, that he had saved his money, his milk money for weeks and weeks until he had the money to go get this book. So that was his first, his first vertebrate paleontology book and it's still sitting upstairs in his office on the corner, you know; it's filed under Z for Zittel. So yeah, it is literally kind of the cornerstone of our library here. It's pretty cool to have that. You know, he was a fairly personable guy. So, he got along with folks from behind the Iron Curtain back in that day. It was interesting that he got copies of Russian and Chinese publications back during the midst of the Cold War in the 50s and 60s. He got some pretty rare volumes. So, it's a really interesting library in that respect. But we've built on that, you know, as libraries have kind of gone...to digital, a lot of the things that we have are rare. There weren't runs of a thousand, you know, there were just a few hundred things that come out of museums or university departments that...are sort of treasures. So, we've rescued a bunch of that stuff from libraries as they've gone to digital copies, and we keep a lot of the paper upstairs just in case the power gets shut off, we still have the originals. Also, a lot of times it's a lot faster and easier just to go to a library shelf and find something and then discover all the things that are you know cataloged next to it. You can learn a lot that way, just through that discovery process. He was a fun guy. We got along great. He had some property north of town, and it had a little archeological site on it that was known as Blacks Fort. Yeah, so there was a place just north of the town, I think it had brief history, it was called Blacks Fort. It had wooden walls, you know. The idea was that should Austin ever be attacked by hostile tribes that people could go there, and this would be like their refuge until the army came or something. I don't think it was ever used for anything, but they basically built this little fort. Also, it was weirdly kind of distant from downtown. So, I don't know how people were supposed to make the trek, but... anyway, it's a really nice little property, had a little creek that ran through, um, and he did some, you know, basic farming on there. Just, I think enough to get the ag exemption kind of thing. But his tractor would break down. He had a barn that was in need of repair a lot. So, he would tap a grad student every now and then to come and help him out. So, while I was here, I was his guy that we would go out to Black's Farm and hang out. His wife would make us a little lunch and iced tea. And we'd go out and, you know, do farm hand stuff, fix fences and fix the tractor and put the barn back together, paint the barn or do some things around the ranch house. So yeah, we did a lot of stuff like that and then we’d go hang out at the creek and...I remember catching the water snakes, Nerodia, and you know looking at whatever was hopping and running around the creek, see if we could find something to put in the modern collection. So, yeah, we had some good times back in the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=3825.0,4151.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Can you talk more about what Dr. Langston was like as a person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4151.0,4159.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: As a person. Interesting because I got to know him personally well enough that he would express his thoughts on other folks. Which was interesting because you'd find out that there were some students that he worked with that he was just like, “Oh, God, I cannot stand this person.” Really? Because that's not the impression you get from watching him interact with people. As far as he was always collegial with people regardless of how...what his personal feelings might be. He was the ultimate sort of professional in that regard. The stories I got from his students though are kind of interesting. Again, you know, I wasn't one of his students, so... I heard from his students that, for instance, if you were working on a particular specimen that he also was interested in, or that was a sort of a prized specimen to work on, you'd not get to see it until he thought you were ready. So, he was kind of a gatekeeper of knowledge that way. Definitely didn't suffer fools. I mean, it was kind of the definition of that phrase. Yeah, it was, my personal interactions with them were kind of different from, I think, than you would get from someone like Jeff Pittman or Tom Raymond or someone who was a student. Yeah, we were a little more, I don't know, collegial from the get-go. Also, it helped that I knew to be deferential to him from the start, so we got off on the right foot. Yeah, he was very, very nice guy. Always a pleasure to be around. Yeah, he was always quite generous to me. I know he, I don't know, his reputation was different from my personal interactions with him I think in a lot of regards that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4159.0,4289.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Was he always known here (at UT) as the “Father of Texas Paleontology” or was that something that evolved over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4289.0,4298.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: Yes, he was kind of revered among the grad students at the time, I was a student. It was definitely, you know, well, that's the man, you know. So, the stories they got about, you speak to him as Dr. Langston, you know, you're deferential to him. Those stories were definitely told from, yeah, because he earned it and because he... Earned that respect, you know, it's not just something because he's a jerk. Yeah. He wasn't. But yeah, he was the legend by the time I came around here, for sure. He did the work and it's interesting, his productivity in terms of number of publications definitely didn't reflect the amount of work that he put in. But it was fun to come back after being away for 10 or 15 years and having 92-year-old Wann Langston come into the laboratory. And it sounded like a seven- or eight-year-old kid was running up the stairs, because his office is upstairs, so here he is, 90 years old, and you hear bang, bang, as he's bouncing up the steps, getting cancer treatment and feeling terrible. You know, man, he's going to get in the lab and do some work and, you know, he's feeling good because he's here, um, doing a thing that, that he loved, you know all the way up to the end. So, he was still working. Um, and he, you know, he walked me through everything that he was doing. There at the end, kind of knowing that, you know, he was...didn't have too much, too much longer to go. He walked me through everything in his office and showed me what he was doing and where he was on his research. He lamented that he hadn't quite gotten where he wanted to be, particularly with Quetzalcoatlus. He had done so much work on that and he hadn’t quite finished it up. You could tell it kind of dug at him. Yeah, so it was really satisfying to finally get that published a few years back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4298.0,4435.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Were you able to pick up where he left off?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4435.0,4446.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: Yes. So, Matthew Brown, who's our lab director now, and myself, and we started with Tim Rowe, but he kind of dropped off pretty quickly. So, it was myself, Brian Andres, who was another graduate from the UT program, and Kevin Padian from Cal Berkeley. The four of us sort of gathered up what Dr. Langston had left off and gathered up the loose ends. And then Tom Lehman brought in all of his personal connections in history and his depth of knowledge of the geology of that area. And we put together a volume for the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology that covered everything they wanted done to that point and sort of brought in new perspectives on pterosaurs and talked about the collection and put this really nice volume together sort of posthumously. Yeah, it was a fun project. It took a while to finish up, but...it took a few years. So, I want to say five years. The actual work probably took a couple of bursts of summers. Kevin Padian came down and spent several weeks of intensive research on the fossils and Langston's notes and everything. Brian Andres spent even more time doing the same thing and going back through it. I spent several months going through every fossil, making sure that everything matched with the descriptions. And Lehman went through you know sort of meticulously with the geology and so did I and so did Matthew Brown. So yeah it was a lot of reviewing all of that and then yeah Andres and Padian bringing in sort of their little perspective on pterosaurs to round it all out come up with this volume. It was a...a lot fun. It took a while...about the last bits of you know getting it edited and things took quite a while. It was definitely worth it in the end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4446.0,4588.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Would you consider Quetzalcoatlus to have been the main focus during his career?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4588.0,4598.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: It was definitely something he had a deep interest in seeing finished. It would be probably a close tie between that and Deinosuchus. I know when I was a student, Deinosuchus was one of his big focuses, and of course we have a 3D... model and cast that restores the full-sized Deinosuchus that he spent a lot of time sculpting out the details. And John Mizano came up with the end. So, the two of them...John Mizano was a sculptor at the museum. He worked on our exhibits. So, he obviously had a lot of experience doing sculpture and stuff. So, the two of those guys worked out the anatomy and worked on how everything should be put together and how it should look. Yeah, it was kind of fun because the thing that we ended up with in the end is parts of the big Deinosuchus and then the anatomy filled out from a smaller specimen that they found that was more complete. Yeah, so it was a lot of visualization from Langston. Like I say, he was good at 3D. He left some stuff upstairs; he'd sculpted out, Quetzalcoatlus skull. It's still sitting up there. We need to do a little restoration and try and make some copies of that. But yeah, he's got some fun things. He's got a nice little sculpture of himself putting together Dilophosaurus in California when he was there. Kind of find all these little goodies. He had one of his last students...I think he was retired, so I don't know if he was officially an advisor to Chris Brochu. I think he was, but um...Yeah, they were working together on a lot of crocodilian stuff. So, it was all crocodiles all the time. He talked about having this fair complexion and having a doctor tell him that he should find a nice desk job somewhere in a cloudy city because he has such fair skin, he was going to get skin cancer. So of course he did just the opposite. But, yeah, if you ever see him out in the field, he was head to toe covered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4598.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Do you have any favorite stories about Dr. Langston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4740.0,4741.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: I mean, there's a lot of little tidbits. So we're around the lab. There was a...Someone had misidentified a camel metapodial as a horse for some reason, and Langston came into the lab and looked at it. So, camels of course are artiodactyls so they have reduced their digits down to just digits three and four. So, they have digits that they stand on, and horses just have the middle fingers, you know, number three. So, Langston comes in and looks, kind of raises an eyebrow, and he says... Looks like somebody can't count to two. He definitely had that kind of sarcastic sense of humor. He’d throw those kind of bon mots out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4741.0,4798.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: What would you like others to know about or to remember about him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4798.0,4807.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: So, because he took so long to sort of finish some of his works, there's been, you know, some bad rumors about how he would hide things or keep them under wraps and then not share information, which was far from the truth. But he was actually quite generous in my experience. As a paleontological colleague, he was quite generous. If you engaged him in a conversation about anything he was more than willing to talk about, you know, any aspect of paleo all the time. Also, you know, provided...even though he was working on these descriptions of these pterasaurs from Big Bend and asked people not to, you know, do a full monograph on the things, he was...entertained any researcher who actually asked to come see them. They were allowed to come see them. So, he was a lot more generous academically than I think his reputation. Yeah, so that's something I think should well be known about him. He was...academically he was a fairly generous individual and easy to talk with. He was, yeah, actually one of my favorite memories of Langston, I wish I could recall the whole weekend. There was a professor up at Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, Texas, named Walter Dalquest. And when he retired, he transferred his paleontological collections here. So, I went up with Dr. Langston and [Ernest] Lundelius to go collect...go pack it up, physically move it. And so, it was a whole week of just hanging out, hearing all these stories about all the old, old timers, you know, and, uh, you know, all their quirks, and you know what they were like. So, I wish I'd had a recorder for that whole, that whole trip. Cause between the three of those old guys, they, you know, they pretty much knew everybody from, you know, [Alfred] Romor to, you know, whoever else that. You know, Barnum Brown, whoever you can mention that was a name from the 20th century. They had an opinion and a story on them so it was an amazing trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4807.0,4963.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: What do you feel is his most important legacy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4963.0,4972.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: I guess its biggest legacy here is the vertebrate paleontology lab itself and the way it runs. The, yeah, the way it's organized is really reflective of him in that we have the fossils; we've got the paleo lab right next to it, we got his library. So, the physical activity of excavating all the way to the academic publication of the research is all sort of here organized in a way that makes sense. It really hasn't changed since he first came here in the early 60s. First Jack Wilson set the lab up and established it, but one of the first things he did was to hire Wann Langston. And the reason he did that was because... Dr. Langston had extensive experience with all of those things from field collection to how a vertebrate paleontology lab should run, how a museum collection should work, and how people should work with the collections. So, he literally hired Langston because he had that experience and that's what he wanted. And, yeah, and Langston really delivered on that. We haven't changed much since the 60s, other than some paint and, you know, upgrading the equipment to modern tools. It's still the same layout. You know, it's still the same organization in the collection. The library is still where they had it built. Yeah, he built this place. This is the place that Jack and Wann built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=4972.0,5085.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: What advice would you give to someone who is interested in the field of paleontology?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=5085.0,5094.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: There are a few pieces of advice. One is don't be afraid to say yes. You know, opportunities come up a lot of times even when you're volunteering. People are like, hey, would you like to help me with X, Y, or Z? Even if you don't have experience doing it, that's how you get the experience doing it. Don't be free to say, yes. Also, this is a really diverse science. We have people who  work in vertebrate paleontology who have backgrounds in art, we have backgrounds in... history or physics, the whole gamut, chemistry, whatever your sort of forte is as a scientist or a researcher, there's an aspect of vertebrate paleontology that fits in with that. Don't feel like you have to be God's own anatomist to be a vertebrates paleontologist. There's, you know, something. If you're interested in vertebrate paleontology, and you have a knack for some certain science or a love of history or history of science, there's a branch of vertebrate paleontology out there that you can fit into. There's opportunities out there for you. Today, for instance, we have a couple of folks who are interested in history and archives working in the vertebrate paleontology lab. We have a researcher who is interested in camels, working on camels. We have photographers and artists come through. We put on an art show here in the building that was all art that originated from the lab. We had sculptors, we had... You know, sketches and photography and all kinds of things that people put together based on items from the collection. And there have been years where we have just as many artists come through doing things as we do, you know. Hardcore scientists doing, you know, anatomy, geochemistry or whatever. Or we've had a, you know, a role in a couple of movies. And sometimes you don't expect things like there's a scene in Lonesome Dove and there's a scene where they have these piles of buffalo bones and so some of that is casts and things that they got from here. So yeah, we had a role to play in putting that thing together. And there are some thank you letters and signed photographs and stuff from the original Jurassic Park crew. So yeah, it's interesting. How many things kind of cross through here. Dr. Pepper, right now, if you pick up a can of sugar-free Dr. Pepper, it’s got Quetzalcoatlus on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=5094.0,5271.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: Is there anything else that you would like to share about Dr. Langston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=5271.0,5281.0"},{"id":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658/transcript/92298/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chris Sagebiel: Yeah, he definitely embodied the paleontologist, you know. He's...he got interested when he was small and yeah, until as long as he was physically able to come into this building and do research, he was in here, you, know, doing research in the afternoons. Even if it was a hundred degrees out, he, was you know he was here doing his stuff. \r\n\r\n\r\nTRANSCRIPTION ENDS","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://fortworthmuseumofscienceandhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3545/collection_resources/167483/file/304658#t=5281.0,1706.0"}]}]}]}